They are so weird I just can't get over it!

jrebel87 · Thu May 21, 2009 1:03 pm

What really gets to me is we go 40-15 and win the regular season championship by having great pitching and timely hitting. What do we do when we get to hoover? We go and play like last years rebels and have neither the timely pitching or the hitting. And another thing, although the rebs did great this season they did show some inconsistency by losing two series that they should have won (usc and state). Now that same inconsistency reared its ugly head in hoover. The rebs have a knack for playing down to their competition instead of playing to their own capability. When they play to their own capability they win 20 sec games. When they play to the opponents capability they go two and out in hoover. I pray that we get good matchups in the oxford regional so we can win and get our confidence back up. I don't even want to think about what would happen if this inconsistency stays with us in oxford next week. It would just be the same old song: great reg. season play that gets all of our hopes up making us believe that this is finally the world series year, and then our hopes crash down.

parrotreb · Thu May 21, 2009 1:12 pm

I don't think we could get an extra-base hit off a tee right now.

jrebel87 · Thu May 21, 2009 1:18 pm

I think your right! This is just weird man! They absolutely did not play like themselves this week. All of the great things that they do that won the sec for us didn't show up.

oxfordrebel · Thu May 21, 2009 1:27 pm

Please keep in mind that it is VERY common for the top seeds to go 2-and-out in the SECT. Bottom seeds have a lot more to play for. Remember Ole Miss was the 8 seed last year and played for the tourney championship, so it's just what it is.

Whereas in the NCAAs, yeah, upsets happen certainly, but not as often. 75% of your 1 seeds in the Regionals advance to the SRs. The NCAA is just a different beast than the SECT.

parrotreb · Thu May 21, 2009 2:49 pm

oxfordrebel wrote:Please keep in mind that it is VERY common for the top seeds to go 2-and-out in the SECT. Bottom seeds have a lot more to play for. Remember Ole Miss was the 8 seed last year and played for the tourney championship, so it's just what it is.

Whereas in the NCAAs, yeah, upsets happen certainly, but not as often. 75% of your 1 seeds in the Regionals advance to the SRs. The NCAA is just a different beast than the SECT.

How common is very common?

tlsu · Thu May 21, 2009 3:22 pm

parrotreb wrote:
oxfordrebel wrote:Please keep in mind that it is VERY common for the top seeds to go 2-and-out in the SECT. Bottom seeds have a lot more to play for. Remember Ole Miss was the 8 seed last year and played for the tourney championship, so it's just what it is.

Whereas in the NCAAs, yeah, upsets happen certainly, but not as often. 75% of your 1 seeds in the Regionals advance to the SRs. The NCAA is just a different beast than the SECT.
How common is very common?

Since we went back to the one tournament format, 1996 Bama and 2007 Vandy were the only #1 seeds to win the tourney. I'm not sure if any regular season champion as a 3 seed has won it, but the point is that the higher seeds are looking forward to the regionals they've locked in while teams like Carolina, UGA, and Ark are playing for seeding and/or hosting spots in the tourney.

parrotreb · Thu May 21, 2009 3:30 pm

tlsu wrote:
parrotreb wrote:
oxfordrebel wrote:Please keep in mind that it is VERY common for the top seeds to go 2-and-out in the SECT. Bottom seeds have a lot more to play for. Remember Ole Miss was the 8 seed last year and played for the tourney championship, so it's just what it is.

Whereas in the NCAAs, yeah, upsets happen certainly, but not as often. 75% of your 1 seeds in the Regionals advance to the SRs. The NCAA is just a different beast than the SECT.
How common is very common?
Since we went back to the one tournament format, 1996 Bama and 2007 Vandy were the only #1 seeds to win the tourney. I'm not sure if any regular season champion as a 3 seed has won it, but the point is that the higher seeds are looking forward to the regionals they've locked in while teams like Carolina, UGA, and Ark are playing for seeding and/or hosting spots in the tourney.

Thanks for providing something responsive to anything that was asked.

The statement was made that it was "very common" for top seed to go 2 and out in the SECT. The question asked was "[h]ow common is very common?" I don't care one way or the other if it is true that that it is "very common" for said teams to 2 and out, I simply wanted to know what "very common" was. It's not a complicated question to comprehend.

oxfordrebel · Thu May 21, 2009 4:47 pm

parrotreb wrote:
tlsu wrote:
parrotreb wrote: How common is very common?
Since we went back to the one tournament format, 1996 Bama and 2007 Vandy were the only #1 seeds to win the tourney. I'm not sure if any regular season champion as a 3 seed has won it, but the point is that the higher seeds are looking forward to the regionals they've locked in while teams like Carolina, UGA, and Ark are playing for seeding and/or hosting spots in the tourney.
Thanks for providing something responsive to anything that was asked.

The statement was made that it was "very common" for top seed to go 2 and out in the SECT. The question asked was "[h]ow common is very common?" I don't care one way or the other if it is true that that it is "very common" for said teams to 2 and out, I simply wanted to know what "very common" was. It's not a complicated question to comprehend.

I'll go back to 2005 which is as far back as I can get data right off from SECSports.com.

2005
#1 Florida - Went 2-2. They won a 1 run game, AND lost in a mercy-ruled game
#2 LSU - Went 2 and out
#3 Tennessee - Went 2-2. One loss was by 1 run and the other was by 10; however it was in the 9th, so no mercy rule.
#4 Ole Miss - Went 4-2. Advanced to the SECT Champ Game, but lost to State.

2006
#1 Alabama - Went 2-2 with 3 of those being 1 run games.
#2 Kentucky - Went 2 and out
#3 Georgia - Went 3-2, including being mercy-ruled in their last loss.
#4 Arkansas - Went 2 and out

2007
#1 Vandy - Won the SECT, but took a loss in the first round and played all the way out. They had to endure 2 one-run victories in the race to the top along the way, either of which could have gone the other way.
#2 Arkansas - Lost to Vandy in the SECT Champ Game. Swept through and ended with a 3-1 mark in the tourney
#3 SC - Went 2-2 including an extremely close win in their first game.
#4 State - Went 2 and out

2008
#1 Georgia - Went 2 and out
#2 LSU - Swept through to win the tourney. Did win a squeaker in the opening round.
#3 Florida - Went 2 and out
#4 Kentucky - Went 1-2

I'm mentioning the 1 run games because we all know that in college baseball a 1 run game could easily go either way and you have to have the ball bounce your way to win. So perhaps my previous statement about going 2 and out was slightly incorrect, but as you can see, it's rare for a team seeded in the top 1/2 of the SEC Tourney to win it and several were eliminated on Thursday or Friday.

wildthang80 · Thu May 21, 2009 8:06 pm

parrotreb wrote:
tlsu wrote:
parrotreb wrote: How common is very common?
Since we went back to the one tournament format, 1996 Bama and 2007 Vandy were the only #1 seeds to win the tourney. I'm not sure if any regular season champion as a 3 seed has won it, but the point is that the higher seeds are looking forward to the regionals they've locked in while teams like Carolina, UGA, and Ark are playing for seeding and/or hosting spots in the tourney.
Thanks for providing something responsive to anything that was asked.

The statement was made that it was "very common" for top seed to go 2 and out in the SECT. The question asked was "[h]ow common is very common?" I don't care one way or the other if it is true that that it is "very common" for said teams to 2 and out, I simply wanted to know what "very common" was. It's not a complicated question to comprehend.

Birdface you can't help but be a jerk in every post can you?

parrotreb · Thu May 21, 2009 9:00 pm

wildthang80 wrote:
parrotreb wrote:
tlsu wrote: Since we went back to the one tournament format, 1996 Bama and 2007 Vandy were the only #1 seeds to win the tourney. I'm not sure if any regular season champion as a 3 seed has won it, but the point is that the higher seeds are looking forward to the regionals they've locked in while teams like Carolina, UGA, and Ark are playing for seeding and/or hosting spots in the tourney.
Thanks for providing something responsive to anything that was asked.

The statement was made that it was "very common" for top seed to go 2 and out in the SECT. The question asked was "[h]ow common is very common?" I don't care one way or the other if it is true that that it is "very common" for said teams to 2 and out, I simply wanted to know what "very common" was. It's not a complicated question to comprehend.
Birdface you can't help but be a jerk in every post can you?

I didn't try in that one. If you don't like my posts don't read them. Easy enough?

Hope the "birdface" comment wasn't too much of a stretch for you.

jimbo_raley · Fri May 22, 2009 9:35 am

Birdface asked a legitimate question. Yes, he commonly(usually) posts from the position of being a "jerk".

His point is the difference between "very common" verses "common" in the context above regarding the SECT. It is not very common for a lower seed to advance over higher seeds, it is "common". Actually based on the posts above it would against the "norm" for a higher seed to advance over the lower seed.

I think this falls within the genre of a "definite maybe".

I understand "Birdface's" point, we both have a low tolerance for stupidity when we know people can do better and have shown better.